Friday, December 08, 2006
Republican Senator Gordon Smith of Oregon...
...called the Iraq war and the current situation there, "criminal". He gave a speech on the floor of the Senate today expressing his feelings about the Iraq war (occupation really) and about how it's being handled.
Here's the beginning of his speech:
The Winston Churchill quote he used I thought was the best. Of course, it's 60 years later and we haven't spent $8 million, but rather, we've spent BILLIONS ($8 million is spent before breakfast every day!) on a war that is nothing but an 'ungrateful volcano'! It's not that the Iraqis in the beginning were ungrateful to us for taking Saddam Hussein's regime down, it's what has happened afterwards that has changed their mood towards us. If we had excellent leadership in the White House from the get go, an 'ungrateful volcano' never would have happened.
Here's the part where Sen. Gordon Smith used the term 'criminal' (bolded):
Sorry but I believe Gordon Smith said exactly the way it was intended. It's too late to backtrack at this point. One thing is for sure, however. If republicans such as Senator Gordon Smith are talking like this NOW...then there is a very good chance that many other moderate republicans will team up with the democrats once the hearings and investigations begin! Could be. We'll have to wait and see.
Impeachment is not out of the picture if guys like Smith are calling the Bush Administration's actions as criminal...NOW.
Merry Christmas!! Woohoo!!!!
Here's the beginning of his speech:
Mr. President, I know it is probably appropriate to speak of our colleagues, and I will do that on the record. I rise tonight, however, to speak about a subject heavy on my mind. It is the subject of the war in Iraq.You can read the rest of his speech, HERE.
I have never worn the uniform of my country. I am not a soldier or a veteran. I regret that fact. It is one of the regrets of my life. But I am a student of history, particularly military history, and it is that perspective which I brought to the Senate 10 years ago as a newly elected Member of this Chamber.
When we came to the vote on Iraq, it was an issue of great moment for me. No issue is more difficult to vote on than war and peace, because it involves the lives of our soldiers, our young men and women. It involves the expenditure of our treasure, putting on the line the prestige of our country. It is not a vote taken lightly. I have tried to be a good soldier in this Chamber. I have tried to support our President, believing at the time of the vote on the war in Iraq that we had been given good intelligence and knowing that Saddam Hussein was a menace to the world, a brutal dictator, a tyrant by any standard, and one who threatened our country in many different ways, through the financing and fomenting of terrorism. For those reasons and believing that we would find weapons of mass destruction, I voted aye.
I have been rather silent on this question ever since. I have been rather quiet because, when I was visiting Oregon troops in Kirkuk in the Kurdish area, the soldiers said to me: Senator, don't tell me you support the troops and not our mission. That gave me pause. But since that time, there have been 2,899 American casualties. There have been over 22,000 American men and women wounded. There has been an expenditure of $290 billion a figure that approaches the expenditure we have every year on an issue as important as Medicare. We have paid a price in blood and treasure that is beyond calculation by my estimation.
Now, as I witness the slow undoing of our efforts there, I rise to speak from my heart. I was greatly disturbed recently to read a comment by a man I admire in history, one Winston Churchill, who after the British mandate extended to the peoples of Iraq for 5 years, wrote to David Lloyd George, Prime Minister of England:
"At present we are paying 8 millions a year for the privilege of living on an ungrateful volcano."
The Winston Churchill quote he used I thought was the best. Of course, it's 60 years later and we haven't spent $8 million, but rather, we've spent BILLIONS ($8 million is spent before breakfast every day!) on a war that is nothing but an 'ungrateful volcano'! It's not that the Iraqis in the beginning were ungrateful to us for taking Saddam Hussein's regime down, it's what has happened afterwards that has changed their mood towards us. If we had excellent leadership in the White House from the get go, an 'ungrateful volcano' never would have happened.
Here's the part where Sen. Gordon Smith used the term 'criminal' (bolded):
Again, I am not a soldier, but I do know something about military history. And what that tells me is when you are engaged in a war of insurgency, you can't clear and leave. With few exceptions, throughout Iraq that is what we have done. To fight an insurgency often takes a decade or more. It takes more troops than we have committed. It takes clearing, holding, and building so that the people there see the value of what we are doing. They become the source of intelligence, and they weed out the insurgents. But we have not cleared and held and built. We have cleared and left, and the insurgents have come back.Yup, he said, 'it may even be criminal'. Is there more than one way to figure out the meaning he intended? I don't think so. He's basically saying that keeping our soldiers alongside others who are being killed by the same means is criminal. It's no different than throwing your child into the middle of a street fight and your child receiving the same types of injuries or worse than those who were fighting amongst each other. It would be criminal for the parent of this child to knowingly and willing throw the child into the fight and understanding the possible outcomes! Well, apparently once the word got out that Senator Smith had used this word to describe the actions of the Bush Administration, he decided to change his tune.
I, for one, am at the end of my rope when it comes to supporting a policy that has our soldiers patrolling the same streets in the same way, being blown up by the same bombs day after day. That is absurd. It may even be criminal. I cannot support that anymore . I believe we need to figure out how to fight the war on terror and to do it right. So either we clear and hold and build, or let's go home.
Sorry but I believe Gordon Smith said exactly the way it was intended. It's too late to backtrack at this point. One thing is for sure, however. If republicans such as Senator Gordon Smith are talking like this NOW...then there is a very good chance that many other moderate republicans will team up with the democrats once the hearings and investigations begin! Could be. We'll have to wait and see.
Impeachment is not out of the picture if guys like Smith are calling the Bush Administration's actions as criminal...NOW.
Merry Christmas!! Woohoo!!!!
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yeah i posted this too kay, its big news as far as im concerned.
then again, smith is running for re-election in 08, so he will say anything to get re-elected.
just like susan collins will.
then again, smith is running for re-election in 08, so he will say anything to get re-elected.
just like susan collins will.
What Gordon Smith is doing is trying to get ahead of the American people. 71% of them see Bush's plans and especially his actions in regards to Iraq as a failure.
The ISG has given many people from the Republican side cover to express thoughts and feelings which were called traitorous only years ago. What is really news is the fact that a large part of the GOP is not going batshit crazy over this but accepting he is on the right track if speaking a bit too much truth at this point.
It is funny how the election and subsequent report from Mr's Baker, Hamilton,ET Al have opened the Pandora's box of truth and reality on Iraq, which NOBODY not even Rove or Cheney will be able to close.
The avalanche of truth which has been barricaded by neo-con lies and spin, up for years about Iraq has begun. No amount of slander, lies spin, or reichwingnut screeching at this point will do them any good. The reality of the ground combined with revelations coming out in reports and the soon to be daily investigations in congressional over site, will drive the stake into the putrid immoral heart of the neo-con beast, and hopefully it will die a quick but (for it's leadership) painful death.
The future of the Republican party is through coming to grips with just how badly they accepted the lies and spin of people who are not really Americans at heart but used the country for their greedy criminal plans, which have failed. The future lies in their repudiation this unamerican ideology and a return to the true American Ideas laid down in the two foundational rocks upon which this country was built , The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
The Republican Party is an essential part of this country, and hopefully they can find their way back the leadership of the Lincoln and Roosevelt wing, not the deceitful, greedy, racist, immoral dishonest wing which has dominated since it reared it's ugly head in the Reagan Administration and has plagued our country ever since. Otherwise they will go the way of the predecessor party the Whigs. And if that is the way it must be, hopefully right soon.
The ISG has given many people from the Republican side cover to express thoughts and feelings which were called traitorous only years ago. What is really news is the fact that a large part of the GOP is not going batshit crazy over this but accepting he is on the right track if speaking a bit too much truth at this point.
It is funny how the election and subsequent report from Mr's Baker, Hamilton,ET Al have opened the Pandora's box of truth and reality on Iraq, which NOBODY not even Rove or Cheney will be able to close.
The avalanche of truth which has been barricaded by neo-con lies and spin, up for years about Iraq has begun. No amount of slander, lies spin, or reichwingnut screeching at this point will do them any good. The reality of the ground combined with revelations coming out in reports and the soon to be daily investigations in congressional over site, will drive the stake into the putrid immoral heart of the neo-con beast, and hopefully it will die a quick but (for it's leadership) painful death.
The future of the Republican party is through coming to grips with just how badly they accepted the lies and spin of people who are not really Americans at heart but used the country for their greedy criminal plans, which have failed. The future lies in their repudiation this unamerican ideology and a return to the true American Ideas laid down in the two foundational rocks upon which this country was built , The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
The Republican Party is an essential part of this country, and hopefully they can find their way back the leadership of the Lincoln and Roosevelt wing, not the deceitful, greedy, racist, immoral dishonest wing which has dominated since it reared it's ugly head in the Reagan Administration and has plagued our country ever since. Otherwise they will go the way of the predecessor party the Whigs. And if that is the way it must be, hopefully right soon.
That's right Clif. For our governmenmt to work, we need two parties who are strong and who understand what their freaking jobs are when they're representing all of us! The republican party has turned into the theocratical inhuman party and Americans now see that. We can't trust any of them right now.
The timing of Gordon Smith's speech speaks volumes. He did it on the last day of the 109th Congress when the republicans were still in power. I think if Gordon Smith was on the sinking Titantic, he would have been the one screaming, "I saw the iceberg! I yelled that it was in the way! No one heard my screams".
You and I and others were the ones that saw the iceberg, Clif. We've been screaming about it for years. Let's hope more republicans start screaming when they see the dangers coming out of the White House once the democrats are in charge!!!
The timing of Gordon Smith's speech speaks volumes. He did it on the last day of the 109th Congress when the republicans were still in power. I think if Gordon Smith was on the sinking Titantic, he would have been the one screaming, "I saw the iceberg! I yelled that it was in the way! No one heard my screams".
You and I and others were the ones that saw the iceberg, Clif. We've been screaming about it for years. Let's hope more republicans start screaming when they see the dangers coming out of the White House once the democrats are in charge!!!
Hi Kay, Are you getting as pissed off as i am? I keep reading that impeachment is not on the table, what kind of bullshit is that? Our country has been raped and robbed by these dirty bastards and there going to let them walk!! THAT SUCKS. bill
Bill, it's not that impeachment is off the table (even though some democrats are saying that) it's the fact that the hearings and investigations will happen. If after these investigations it's found that impeachable offenses have been committed, then impeachment is in!
All impeachments have to have hearings to get to the bottom of what is being charged. These hearings will happen and as Americans learn what these traitors have done through the televised hearings Americans will be outraged!!!
Don't give up. I'm not! We can't just take over the reins in January and go right to impeachment. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.
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All impeachments have to have hearings to get to the bottom of what is being charged. These hearings will happen and as Americans learn what these traitors have done through the televised hearings Americans will be outraged!!!
Don't give up. I'm not! We can't just take over the reins in January and go right to impeachment. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.
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