Saturday, January 13, 2007

 

A military coup of the White House is the only answer at this point

The morning after Bush's speech to the country about his reasons for escalating an already failed illegal occupation and about his intentions to start more wars in Iran and Syria really had my whole body rattled...physically and emotionally. I thought to myself that our country is in complete jeopardy because we have a man leading our country who could give two shits about what the American people think and he has no one around him to stop his madness. If his approval rating gets down to 8%, he won't care. He has an agenda, which is backed by those around him, and he is not going to change it no matter what is said and done.

Here's what Bush has done:

1) He ignored tons of warnings that an attack to our country was coming and when the attack happened on 9/11/01, he immediately said he wanted to go to attack Iraq. Right off the bat, he was not listening to those around him who were saying it was al-Qaida who attacked us and not Iraq.

2) He ignored the authorization bill that war would be used as a last resort in Iraq and started an illegal occupation of a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11 and who was not waging war against us (Iraq was soveriegn and soveriegnty has it's protections from tyrannts like Bush and his Cabal). He pulled the UN Inspectors off the ground in Iraq within a few weeks because he didn't care what anyone said....he wanted to go to war in that country and didn't care what was on paper making it illegal for him to do so.

3) He has issued himself over 800 signing statements which is allowing him to ignore the laws in our country. He took an oath to uphold these laws and he is refusing to acknowledge them.

4) He has refused to listen to the Generals on the ground in Iraq and the Generals who have spoken out against his plans or strategies are quickly pushed out of their jobs and filled with those Generals who will agree with everything he says. His Generals are now saying an escalation in troops is not going to make a difference and will only increase more violence and upheival in the region. Bush doesn't care. He's not listening. He's going to escalate no matter what any of these Generals say.

5) He has rendered the Congress useless. He no longer recognizes them. As soon as a piece of legislation is passed and put on his desk for his signature, he will immediately issue an Executive Order (signing statement) saying he can construe the bill any way he wants and he can just ignore it if he wants to. He has given himself more power than our system of government allows him to have....even in a time of war. He believes that he is the power in the country and everyone under him has none. His own party members in the House & Senate are speaking out against this escalation in Iraq, but Bush doesn't care. He has annoited himself the king and will do what he wants to do in the end.

6) He refuses to listen to the American people. Americans are not allowed to get near him and are held far away from him in cages because he will not allow them their right to speak out against him and his atrocious policies. He only allows loyalists/nationalists to get near him. He doesn't care that he is slowly taking the rights of the American people away. He gives the finger to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and to us on a daily basis.

7) Bush and the members of his Cabinet are domestic enemies for the reasons listed above. They are working separately from the laws and the system of government our country has. They don't see themselves as citizens who are not above the laws. They see themselves as the law of the land.

8) He would not allow any members of the White House Press Corps Association into the room where Bush's speech was from, but only allowed Fox News to be able to take still photos of him. Why? He is suppressing Americans that's why! He is not a well man and he does not want Americans to see the proof of that (though, we did see it on our televisions when he gave this speech). Some are suggesting over at AMERICAblog in the link above that there is a huge possibility that Bush's speech WAS NOT LIVE TO THE NATION. What was he trying to hide? Was he taking pills before the cameras were turned on? Was he acting delusional and irrational and didn't want the cameras of those news outlets that are not from his own personal media (Fox News) to record it? Well, no one knows. The White House issued a still photo to the WHPCA to be the fill-in for what he didn't want Americans to see instead. Traitorous.

Dangerous thinking and actions, but who has the power to stop this madness?!!!

ANSWER: The US military has the power to restore the republic FOR the American people.

We, the American people and the systems of checks and balances put in place by our Forefathers do not have the power to stop Bush. We don't. He is staying the course of tyranny and treason despite any intervention of any kind. At this point, Bush and his Administration are domestic enemies of the United States of America. They need to be arrested, tried, and imprisoned and the only way for that to happen is for the United States military to storm the White House, Camp David, the ranch in Texas, the Bush Family Compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, and all the bunkers and other places where the members of Bush's Cabinet go to protect Americans and to restore our republic back to the way it was prior to the 2000 election.

Our nation and it's systems are no longer working the way they always have. Our Forefathers, if alive today, would be rounding up arms to take down these traitors. You can bet your sweet bippy they would!

I'm all for it. Send in the military and use either our Congress or the US Supreme Court to pause the nation, so the states can create a special election ballot with the new candidates hand chosen by each of the parties. Nancy Pelosi, who is the current Speaker of the House and third in line to the presidency, would be put in temporarily as the President, so Americans could at least feel that continuity is there until a new White House is formed.

I think it's the only way.

Comments:
how about this?

works for me . .
 
Excellent post Kay.

I respectfully disagree with you when you write “Why? He is suppressing Americans that's why! He is not a well man and he does not want Americans to see the proof of that”

Bush is quite well. There is no sign of illness or insanity or madness or stupidity in Bush. That’s (understandable) prejudice. Please bear with me while I explain and try not to jump down my throat. I’m going to discuss something around the word ‘prejudice’ now - from a psychological point of view, not in the traditional sense.
It’s like saying “Hitler was stupid or mad or insane”. Actually Hitler wasn’t stupid or mad or insane. Hitler was a genius to accomplish what he did. You don’t become the Chancellor of a nation taking that nation from destitution to prosperity by being ‘normal’. That’s the stuff of genius.

Humans associate negative behaviour with negative descriptions. It’s normal psychology. You probably don’t know this about me Kay, I’m Head of a Science Department and because of this I’ve had a LOT of training in psychology as I manage 33 staff + I achieved grade ‘A’ at advanced level in this subject so I know something about psychology.

It’s natural to associate negative behaviour with negative descriptions, but that doesn’t make it correct.
Do I think Hitler was nice? NO!!! Do I think Hitler was evil? YES!!! Do I think Hitler was right? NO!!! Do I think Bush is mad/insane/ill/stupid? NO!!!

When trying to understand Bush, try not to let your emotions cloud your judgement. Easier said than done, I know! But necessary if you want to know the TRUTH.

Bush is a patriot, doing what he believes is best for the long-term future of your country. Bush is human so he feels pain and remorse just like you and I Kay. But here’s where we differ from Bush. Bush feels remorse and pain only toward those he can empathise with, and that will be limited to his close family. You and I can empathise with people we have never even met - because we are NOT double ‘high’ authoritarians Kay.

The reason Bush denied access of reporters (except those who are sycophants - authoritarian followers) is because he is struggling to maintain his Real Agenda and is choosing options that make his task easier for him. Nothing more, nothing less.



Kay “The US military has the power to restore the republic FOR the American people. We, the American people and the systems of checks and balances put in place by our Forefathers do not have the power to stop Bush. We don't.”

From what I’ve read, a fair proportion of the military is evangelical republican. Add to this the fact that the American military are steeped in propaganda.

As much as you would LIKE the military to ‘step up to the plate’ they will not. Their allegiances are divided and they don’t know the truth about Bush‘s Real Agenda - how many of them can - by this I mean how many of them are no more than kids Kay?

You DO have the power to stop your leaders if you protest in big enough groups often enough. Just like Vietnam. And anyway, this argument is academic because the reality of the situation is You, the American People, really ARE the only ones who have the power to stop Bush. No-one is going to do this for you, no-one else can. It’s a tough pill to swallow but it’s the truth. Public demonstration is NOT a matter of convenience and only American citizens can do this. There’s no easy way out, no magic help button, no convenient alternative. That’s why I’m taking the time to type this message to you Kay. I’m not here to lie to you even if it would give you comfort for me to do so. You NEED to know the truth and it’s time America got off it’s super-size-me arses!

I believe the world is approaching another ‘Cuban missile crisis’ with different reasons, different players but the same weapons.


“Our Forefathers, if alive today, would be rounding up arms to take down these traitors. You can bet your sweet bippy they would!”

Agreed, but they had a greater moral fortitude - they would back up their words with ACTIONS, I know YOU are demonstrating on the streets, so where are the others?


“I think it's the only way.”

Kay, if you think conveniently leaving the overthrow of your dictators to the military is the only way forward, even worse, is the responsibility of the military - the same military who answer to those powers (and are in large part authoritarian followers themselves) then America will not be ‘saved’ because all the time everybody assumed/hoped/prayed/wasted their time expecting someone else to ‘save’ them.

It ain’t gonna happen Kay. Swallow the tough pill. Organise and demonstrate. If your neighbours don’t demonstrate with you then start KNOCKING ON DOORS!!!!!

Please don’t perceive me as an enemy Kay, I’m your ally, here to tell you the truth as far as I am able to perceive it myself whether that offends you or not. That what real friends do.
 
I completely agree with British Gary. The Bush Regime isn't insane like the definition we know of, but rather, are sane men carrying out their own Evil Agenda.

My fear is if one million people show up at the end of this month as planned the Bush Regime will attack them physically, declare Martial Law, and then we will lose our country forever. Americans are going to take the chance anyways. There is a lot of excitement about this protest, but if my fear comes true, then what? Where do we go from there? Another protest?

You're right. I probably have used my own emotions to post about this, but I love my country more than anything and I see it being thrown out right before my eyes. I protest all the time. If I'm not standing on a bridge by myself, then I have my outrage posted in the back window of my car. I have a blogs set up for myself and others to voice our outrage and I've signed just about every petititon that has been thrown my way. Now that the democrats are in control of both houses, Bush said the other night that he will not allow them to squash his plans and he told them he needs them to help him. It's sick. He said they can tweak some of his plans, but they cannot stop him from carrying them out!

Our military can, but you did bring up a good point that the religious right has infiltrated our military. They will not rise up against these madmen because most of them have been programmed the opposite of what you and I know. Our times are not normal for this to happen. Dammit! Sam Seder of Air America Radio (left wing radio program) brought this point up about our military. It is a lost cause, isn't it at this point?

Sucks.

Well, let's see what happens with the large protests that are scheduled. If nothing happens (Martial Law declared) then I will be relieved. If it does happen, the Pigs in the White House will make Martial Law permanent, which is not what our Constitution allows, but then again...we are being led by monsters who don't care what our Constitution says.

Bia, who is a commenter over at AMERICAblog and she's from the state of Maine too, said recently that hikers in the Northern Maine woods came across buildings along the border between Canada and Maine that had barbed wire POINTED INWARDS TOWARDS THE BUILDINGS, which means....whoever is planned for those places are not to leave unless they are led out through the doors of their captors. Sick!

I don't want this for my country goddamnit!
 
Kay "My fear is if one million people show up at the end of this month as planned the Bush Regime will attack them physically,"

Only if you give him a reason/excuse to do so. Organise PEACEFULLY and he'll be denied this option. It's extremely unlikely anyway (why? see the social law below) so your fear won't come true.
To lurkers: Fear is a very good reason, and a very HONEST reason, for inaction. But that does not excuse it.


"declare Martial Law, and then we will lose our country forever."

Kay, you stand a greater chance of losing your country forever as you know it if you allow Bush to rage war in Iran which WILL spread to every Muslim/Islamic nation worldwide and then China and Russia.
Military law will/can only last so long. Why? Because there are more people than there are military and this is a law of social science:
WHEN THE PAIN OF WHAT IS BECOMES GREATER THAN THE FEAR OF WHAT IF, PEOPLE WILL REVOLT.

America is not there yet. It needs to be.


"I love my country more than anything"

I know, it's to be commended especially as you care about your own country and people elsewhere. You are a TRUE patriot. Patriots can be as good a thing as they can be an evil thing. The difference is compassion and you have that Kay or I would not be here.


"and I see it being thrown out right before my eyes."

and Blair, becuase he wants a slice of the black gold pie, is throwing mine out with yours. So I know how you feel. Many feel the same way here too. Unfortunately (in these times) or fortunately, you live in the world's most powerful country so what you do affects the world more than anyone else. So it's up to you to protect your constitution. This is the responsibility that comes with wanting to be the #1 country on the planet.

As an aside, I thought this was one of the main reasons Americans were eligible to 'bear arms' anyway? But I am NOT recommending that!


"I protest all the time. If I'm not standing on a bridge by myself, then I have my outrage posted in the back window of my car. I have a blogs set up for myself and others to voice our outrage and I've signed just about every petititon that has been thrown my way."

and here is where your actions to date have influenced others wonderfully but now it's time for a NEW approach. Now is the time to DO something more rather than SAY something more. Blogs only serve a purpose so far. Beyond that, you HAVE to get out of the house. You MUST hit the streets. Peacefully, in huge numbers and RELENTLESSLEY. The more you love your country, the more you will demonstrate peacefully and physically. It's what's known as a 'directly proportional relationship'. It's called 'putting your money where your mouth is' and is the best measure of a true patriot.


"Our times are not normal for this to happen. Dammit!"

agreed, so this is the time to show what you're really made of. Not just you but EVERY American! It's easy to say 'I love America' when everything is tickety-boo but it's another thing to MEAN it when the proverbial's hitting the fan. So prove it lurkers, when was the last time you did something that involved leaving the house?


"Sam Seder of Air America Radio (left wing radio program) brought this point up about our military. It is a lost cause, isn't it at this point?"

NO! The battle's never over until you choose to give in! I recall reading your words the wisdom of Ghandi (when ironically enough, fighting the imperialism of my OWN country - but it served us right in the end and BOY did we learn a lesson!):

"At first they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win"


"hikers in the Northern Maine woods came across buildings along the border between Canada and Maine that had barbed wire POINTED INWARDS TOWARDS THE BUILDINGS"

well, IF those buildings are meant for pacifists, and I understand such things have in the past, would you rather live your life in guilt or in honour? Is there anything in your life worth defending with your life? As MLK said, "if there's nothing in your life worth dying for, then life's not worth living". He was right. Having some things in life that ARE worth death, it does make life worthwhile, because it provides a PURPOSE for life. I would die for peace, honour, dignity, integrity, freedom. What about Americans in general? I bet it's NO different! Note: Authoritarians are not included in that generalisation.


"I don't want this for my country goddamnit!"

and I don't want it for America, Britain or anywhere else in the world goddamit! But since you aspire to be the #1 country, WHAT ARE AMERICANS PREPARED TO DO TO EARN THAT TITLE?????
 
This is an exact copy of an e-mail I sent to countdown@msnbc.com

If I receive a reply (and again, I won't hold my breath) I'll post it here.....


To Keith Olbermann, this Sir, is my first e-mail to you because I have something extremely important to say, please take the time to read this message.

"so that the next pResident has to pull the survivors out of Iraq instead of you? Good night and good luck."

This is how you ended your latest special comment questioning WHY Bush would choose escalation......

Keith, I love watching your special comments and I hate to say this but you are wrong. Bush is NOT delaying withdrawal from Iraq to place blame on the next POTUS for cutting and running, but because of his Real Agenda.

Cutting and running invokes memories of Vietnam. What Bush has over Nixon is OIL, which for a republican means money money money. Money forms a greater lust for war than a fear of communism.

Bush is a double authoritarian or a 'double high' according to John Dean. Bush is ruthless.

Bush is not JUST refusing to withdraw troops because he's deluded and cannot accept his losses. Or because he's stupid. Or because he's insane (I'm not suggesting you think this but I hear it too often). Bush is refusing to withdraw troops because for him, the loss of control/ownership of ME oil will be the loss of America 50+ years from now. Why?

Because oil is rapidly dwindling and as far as I am aware there isn't a single civilisation that is able to remain financially stable with a reduced amount of oil, let alone an absence of oil.

Bush sees the future economic stability of America as indelibly linked with the ownership of ME oil. This is his Real Agenda. This is the Real Agenda shared by his authoritarian followers in the WH.

It explains EVERYTHING, look at the situation from Bush's Real Agenda perspective:

it explains why;
1. so many of America's intelligentsia (Rice, Gonzales etc.) are prepared to risk resignation/impeachment/jail by breaking domestic laws e.g. The Constitution, destroy H. corpus and breach international treaties and obligations (the very future of America ITSELF depends on winning in the ME and controlling the oil there) which necessitates controlling the people at home. And it's MUCH easier to control people with a fear of terrorism than a fear of economic collapse. WMD were used as a justification for war, rather than the genuine threat to petrodollars, because the fear of Saddam was controllable whereas a fear of economic collapse is uncontrollable. Why? Because the fear that would come from the national realisation of the collapse of the petrodollar would undercut the entire PNAC neoconservative agenda, because the Christian right vote with their faith only as long as their wallets are safe, threaten their wallet and certain principals are questioned, this is what happened to Bush Sr. in 1992.
2. the MSM give the WH so many soft-balls (as above, in addition to not wishing to be seen as traitors)
3. Blair is prepared to humiliate himself internationally and domestically by becoming the sock-puppet of Bush (he wants a slice of the pie for Britain)
4. there were such rewards for Tenet and Rumsfeld had such a fantastic send-off (because they are 'saving' America - in the future). Remember when Bush said of Rumsfeld at his farewell ceremony, "[Rumsfeld] knows how to lead and he did and the COUNTRY IS BETTER OFF FOR IT." (emphasis added) how else can you explain such support for a man of such seeming incompetence?? Why, on ABC's This Week, did Boehner said that “Rumsfeld is the best thing that’s happened to the Pentagon in 25 years.”??
5. there is this latest escalation in troops (the future of America itself is at stake so there can be NO compromise, he HAS to keep going)
6. the dead troops are 'just a number' and this will be remembered as a 'comma in history' (because 50+ years from now, most Americans are not going to give a DAMN about those who died today. They will only care about how they will be able to afford to raise their own kids, heat their houses, build new businesses, supply new products, travel to work etc. in a world where very few have oil and oil stocks are very, very low). Bush KNOWS this which is why we have point 7:
7. Bush is convinced he will be remembered in the future as a great leader AND NOT UNTIL
8. the talking heads will say ANYTHING to rally to their cause
9. the reasons for the war keep changing - the truth (his Real Agenda) would be an admission of crimes against humanity and war crimes. An admission of imperialistic militarism.
10. Bush, by mistake, referenced oil as a reason for the war before Christmas. ThinkProgress has some details of this admission on it's website.
11. Advisors and Generals are replaced when they disagree with Bush's demand for continued military presence
12. Bush, on 21st August 2006 at a press conference stated "We’re not leaving [Iraq] so long as I’m the president. That would be a huge mistake."
etc. etc.

This is what makes Bush SO dangerous. People may like to think he's stupid because he's no orator, but that is distracting from his AGENDA.

He is NOT stupid, he's utterly, utterly ruthless and CONVINCED he is saving America when the world runs out of oil/becomes extremely competitive for oil which will not be in the too distant future - a couple of generations away.

Bush will NOT consider renewable energy, biofuels etc. because he is from an OIL background, it's his speciality and that is what filters his view of the world. Plus he panders to an elite base of republicans who want money NOW and damn the consequences because they'll be dead by then so it won't be their problem.

I wish I was wrong but I know I'm not. Understanding Bush's Real Agenda explains everything. Think about it Keith, how (in an oilman like Bush's eyes) is America ever going to become energy independent unless Persian Gulf states become US colonies? It explains why Iraq's oil revenues are being held in trusts for the Iraqi peoples....once the US is in charge, America can determine how much Iraq will charge for it's oil - which will be very little - and America will buy it all. America then keeps the money and someday, maybe some of it will be given to a puppet Govt. provided they don't rock the boat.

Two things I DO know Keith:
1. this latest escalation has NOTHING to do with passing the buck to the next POTUS.
2. Bush's Real Agenda explains EVERYTHING you keep highlighting

Keep up the good work, you Sir, are a credit to your people and your country. You inspire the rest of the world to understand what Bush does is NOT in the name of ALL Americans.

British Gary.
 
"Bush is quite well. There is no sign of illness or insanity or madness or stupidity in Bush."

"Bush is a patriot, doing what he believes is best for the long-term future of your country."

No patriot would circumvent an established code of ethics, i.e. the Constitution, no matter what his beliefs, or impose his will upon the majority in a free and democratic system.

And no person in their right mind would continue on a course that violates every constitutional and moral code of conduct.

I agree that this maniac has an agenda, which does NOT include the best interest of America or it's people. He is a figurehead, and stands in front of the real authority which desires a world devoid of individual sovereignty, and freedom of thought and expression, including religion. America as a free and sovereign nation stands in their way, and what is brilliant in all of this is that those in real power wish to employ their main obstacle as a means of subjugating the rest of the world.

You are right in that the people do not possess the intestinal fortitude of their forebears. This is why the globalists will succeed.

A psychological profile isn't enough without the historical facts: that an elitist cabal desires to bring a world-wide central authority to power, and this has been their goal since the earliest days of civilization.
 
Anonymous "No patriot would circumvent an established code of ethics, i.e. the Constitution, no matter what his beliefs, or impose his will upon the majority in a free and democratic system."

That IS the way you and I see it but NOT the way Bush sees it. I'm getting into his mind to understand the man, not necessarily defending him.

In his own mind, he is a patriot doing what he thinks is best for the long-term future of America.

Understanding Bush helps me to be able to predict him and his awful followers.

In the real sense of the word, Bush is NOT a patriot, I agree.

A real patriot would not, for example, put party politics before his country. A real patriot would not turn a blind eye to Foley by politically withdrawing from him leaving the pages in Foley's care at Foley's mercy. It's a long list, I know.


"And no person in their right mind would continue on a course that violates every constitutional and moral code of conduct."

Such actions have absolutely nothing to do with insanity, madness, illness or stupidity etc. All these terms are (understandable) prejudices. What you have just stated demonstrates no more than sheer, unadulterated RUTHLESSNESS. That's all. He is definitley in his 'right mind'. Bush is quite sane. Read John Dean's book 'Conservatives Without Conscience' for a description of the double authoritarian mind. Read for yourself HOW such minds, which are definitley sane, work. Read what MOTIVATES them (they want personal power so they can make/steal money), then you'll understand much better. You may, like I did, end up feeling nauseous though.


"He is a figurehead, and stands in front of the real authority which desires a world devoid of individual sovereignty, and freedom of thought and expression, including religion."

what do you mean by "real authority" - that's a vague term, do you mean the GOP? Or the entire Republican Party?
Either one, I disagree. The real aim of Bushco is to make money. The real aim is NOT to destroy America or the Constitution. But if the Constitution gets in the way of making money then it will be torn apart. Not per se, but because the aim is to make money at ANY initial cost - especially to the taxpayer who have paid so much of it into the treasury. This volume of money is why the treasury is a feeding trough to double authoritarians and why double authoritarians find politics so enticing.


"America as a free and sovereign nation stands in their way,"

America as a free and sovereign nation has temporarily been bastardised by crooks and ruthless authoritarians. America right now stands in nobody's way, but is at the mercy of
1. Israel (AIPAC/JINSA etc.)
2. Big Business (corporate lobbying and earmarks)
3. Ideologists (neocons and right-wing think tanks e.g. AEI, Hudson, PNAC etc.)
4. Extremists (evangelists) and
5. Ruthless authoritarians who temporarily have control thus enabling 1 to 4.


"and what is brilliant in all of this is that those in real power wish to employ their main obstacle as a means of subjugating the rest of the world."

I trust by use of the word 'brilliant' you are using it in exactly the same sense I use the word 'patriot' when describing Bush?

By 'employ their main obstacle' do you mean the 'terrorist' mantra/propaganda? If so, I agree. But again, with a caveat. You see, Bush doesn't want to subjugate the world per se, he wants to make money. If subjugating countries helps him to make money, he'll do it. That's why he's (trying to) turn the ME into American colonies.


"A psychological profile isn't enough without the historical facts: that an elitist cabal desires to bring a world-wide central authority to power,"

This "elitist cabal" you describe, is that what you mean when you write "real authority"? Are you referring to the top 1% of America's wealthy?

I respectfully disagree when you write "desires to bring a world-wide central authority to power" because conservatives are against the one-world idealism of liberalism. In fact, conservatives loathe the very idea because they believe in inequality etc.

Or by "desires to bring a world-wide central authority to power" do you mean the wealthy elite electing one of their own to the most powerful position on earth? If that's so, then I agree with you. Note that this power is a means to an end for them, the power is used to make/steal money by any ruthless means necessary.


"and this has been their goal since the earliest days of civilization."

and if you mean the latter rather than the former of my interpretations of your final paragraph, then such elitists have not only succeeded today but have done so a great many times in history.

So what makes this particular time elitists have obtained power so terrible? The answer is technology. This time, the elitists have more power than ever before with the weapons at their disposal.

This is one of many reasons I fear WWIII is more likely to happen than ever before.
 
"That IS the way you and I see it but NOT the way Bush sees it."

He sees it our way... he doesn't care. He has another agenda.

"Such actions have absolutely nothing to do with insanity, madness, illness or stupidity etc."

If you base your actions on a philosophy of moral integrity (as he does) or even a sense of righteous indignation, it has everything to do with everything. A sane person would consider the possible backlash rash actions might generate, as you, yourself, have already pointed out in your observations about China, etc. Bush is, for all practical purposes, stupid.

I understand the basic tenets of psychopathy, and how a psychopath rationalizes... I know he thinks he's right, but he also knows his actions defy law, and that makes him a criminal as well as stupid.

"Read what MOTIVATES them (they want personal power so they can make/steal money)"

So much for patriotism.

"what do you mean by "real authority" - that's a vague term, do you mean the GOP? Or the entire Republican Party?"

Neither... they are illusions, and merely things designed to provide the illusion of participation in the determination of how a country is governed. As has been the case for a couple of hundred years or more, society functions under an oligarchy of powerful financial and industrial and religious personages. Visible political figures and party systems are puppets with the same high-level goals as their masters pulling the strings, which is why I aspire to no particular party -- I am apolitical.

Your own analysis of the current situation sums it up nicely, and I concur:

1. Israel (AIPAC/JINSA etc.)
2. Big Business (corporate lobbying and earmarks)
3. Ideologists (neocons and right-wing think tanks e.g. AEI, Hudson, PNAC etc.)
4. Extremists (evangelists) and
5. Ruthless authoritarians who temporarily have control thus o 4.

Among these are the true power-brokers. Notwithstanding his family's influence in providing him with an elite education, Bush remains a moron. He's a distraction from the real intelligence.

"and if you mean the latter rather than the former of my interpretations of your final paragraph, then such elitists have not only succeeded today but have done so a great many times in history."

They keep trying...

You're right, a blog isn't the end-all in this controversy. Perhaps a higher power?
 
Kay, are you alright honey?

i really, really, really missed you tonight.
 
I like the way you think anonymous, it's nice 'chatting' with you.


anonymous "He sees it our way... he doesn't care. He has another agenda."

I suggested what Bush's Real Agenda almost certainly is several days ago. I don't know if you read it?

However I see Bush differently - I think Bush believes it's his patriotic duty to protect America long-term (because authoritarians are EXTREMELY nationalistic - see J. Dean for details) and this means raping the ME and turning it into an American colony. Since Bush can make a stash of money himself in this venture that's a bonus for him. Another bonus is he can make a stash of money for the elitists you speak of who will vote for his kind again. Ruthless authoritarians will only rub shoulders (vote for their own kind etc.) when it's in their self-interest to do so. When a person's usefulness has expired, they are discarded e.g. Abramoff (see J. Dean again for details).

So I think Bush actually does care, he cares in his authoritarian way which is 'my way or no way'. I think Bush has made statements similar to that in the past.
So if Bush's way means tearing up the Constitution to get his way, then he'll tear up the Constitution. Bush really is quite evil, in a different way from Hitler et. al. but still evil. That doesn't make him stupid though. Just ruthless.
To state Bush is stupid or a moron is 'prejudice by association'.


"Bush remains a moron. He's a distraction from the real intelligence."

I'm NOT saying Bush is particularly intelligent, I'm saying he's not stupid. Big difference. He's probably average intelligence.

I agree that Bush is a distraction. His lack of oratorial skills are a great cover for Cheney to hide behind to say the least.

While people laugh at Bush's verbal gaffs they are not focussing on the CONTENT of what he is stating.

Meanwhile Cheney is a far greater influence in America's wrongdoing's than most realise. It was Cheney who stacked the Administration with neocons during the pResidential transition in 2000/2001.


"If you base your actions on a philosophy of moral integrity (as he does) or even a sense of righteous indignation, it has everything to do with everything."

I don't think Bush does base his actions on a philosophy of moral integrity (read J. Dean). I think he gives the APPEARENCE that he does this to 'sucker' evangelicals into giving him their vote. Authoritarians ADORE treating people in this manner because if they can fool people it gives them a sense of superiority (read J. Dean).

I think Bush bases his actions on his own self-interest and a monumental sense of nationalism. Therefore his actions have nothing to do with insanity, madness, illness or stupidity etc. because Bush's actions are NOT based on any moral integrity. That is one of many fundamental virtues missing in an authoritarian. In fact, one of the main traits in an authoritarian is that they are AMORAL by definition. And Bush is a DOUBLE authoritarian. That's why Bush can kill 655,000+ Iraqis, 3000+ Americans and maim/cripple ~22,500 Americans and still sleep like a baby. Evil. But not stupid.


"Visible political figures and party systems are puppets with the same high-level goals as their masters pulling the strings, which is why I aspire to no particular party"

Total agreement here!


"a blog isn't the end-all in this controversy."

Hopefully this is why Kay is quiet right now - hopefully she's out protesting which EVERY American who calls themself a 'patriot' should be doing right NOW!


"Perhaps a higher power?"

I wouldn't be so callous as to relieve myself of my responsibilities in and to this world and it's peoples by expecting an invisible sky-god to save me.

I'm an atheist. I obtain my morality from secular humanism. I think this is the only life we are ever going to get so it's up to us to step up to the plate and make the most of it while it lasts, because this is the only chance we are ever going to get to know 'paradise' so it's up to us (whether we like it or not) to make that happen while we can. I take responsibility for my actions, I wish more would. Maybe more would (but not everyone would) if they were convinced this is all there is. I think there is no convenient 'happy ever after' that has been believed by every savage and gullible, arrogant, ignoramus of every age of people since we bent over, kissed our backsides and worshipped the rising sun.
 
Hey Guys
Kayinmaine wanted me to let you know that her computer is sick and had to go to the doctors.
 
rather her computer than Kay herself, glad to know she's OK. And thanks for letting us know.

For these types of illnesses, I recommend a sledgehammer.
 
When mine went down to save my self a lot of time and agravation I just bought a whole new one
 
Please say Hi to Kay, and tell her she is not missing much on a-blog. The trolls are on the run and laying low! One of em made a death threat today. I asked the owners to ban him don't know if they did or not..

Mikey
 
British Gary, I can see you are an educated person, but that can prove to be a pitfall in and of itself. You are basing your conclusions on a preponderance of scientific analysis, which to me would be similar to trying to put into words what a musical symphony 'sounds' like at the exclusion of what the ear could provide.

My analysis of Bush's mentality is not based upon the literal transliteration of the word "stupid" so much as it is tantamount to stupidity for him to embark on the course he's taken without considering what it is going to cost him. More on that later.

We agree he is evil, but he either is or he is not. You are using a term that has no place in psychiatric analysis. This is where one has to move beyond the secular, humanist paradigm. You say you are an atheist, therefore for you to employ terms of a theological nature is a contradiction in terms.

I happen to basing much of what I propose on a mixture of the humanist training I had as a youth, along with the religious training I have embraced as an adult. You may not believe in a "sky God" but it really doesn't hinder one's responsibility toward himself or his peers if you do believe... in fact, it heightens one's sense of duty to try and better oneself and improve the lot of others.

What I am getting at is that there are other ways of knowing what the powers-that-be are up to, and what their goals for themselves and the rest of humanity are. It does, however, involve a major shift in belief systems, and the transition from secularism to religion (as I know) is particularly difficult.

We are the same in many respects. Your 'faith' in humanism, and my faith in a higher power cannot be proven at the elemental level. You can quote all of the learned masters and of their written word
until the cows come home (and I could quote scripture) but in the end it all becomes a matter of faith on our part, though it would seem that the evidence provided by divine inspiration gets weightier with time!

My studies in religion, i.e. the Word of God have shown that there is a condition known to man called sin. Science really has no explanation for why man is the way he is, but I can tell you that it goes a long way to understanding why people like Bush are the way they are, and why HIS masters are the way they are. It also explains that since the beginning of civilization, there has been a cabal of men seeking to enslave the world, all the while they, themselves, dupes of a higher and more powerful entity seeking to bring the race to it's knees to spite the God that banished him!

The descendants of these original rebels are still carrying forth the plan of rebellion today. I can assure you, these powerful men are NOT atheists! They don't serve God, but His rival. They are quite happy to have you believe there is no God or Satan. Atheism (a religion itself, by the way) was constructed to obliterate man's knowledge of his Creator, and is mentioned in the Communist Manifesto -- the outline of the socialist (Satanist) plan to enslave all free and sovereign nations on Earth. The works of Lavrenty Beria, a prominent Socialist, include the plan the socialist elitists had for infiltrating ALL aspects of modern society in an effort to spread the seeds of discord and war and atheism.

Society is breaking down, not improving, contrary to what the Darwinist/Evolutionists might like us to think. Any man on the street with both of his eyes working can verify that. We have 'de-evolved' to the state that our only hope for survival IS from an outside source.

The Bible has always been the best-selling literary work. It has also grown in acceptance among the more secular authorities for it's historical and moral accuracy and authority. God is FAR from obsolete, and His Word has foretold every major shift in human civilization since creation. There is a coming time of trouble, foretold thousands of years ago, and it would seem, my friend, that we are the ones that will be living in it.

Every major skirmish in history has been over religion, because that's what's at stake. God's rule or Satan's. In religious circles it is called "the great controversy." There shall indeed be a "third world war" foretold by God, and planned long ago by elitist men seeking total power.

This is my sermon to counter yours. You preach from a secular view, I from a theological one. When matters get so unbearable that the world cries for a leader to get them out of the mess they're in, there will be one provided, (remember this) but it will be the devil himself!

As for Bush... his family, historically, have been Satanists. CNN won't verify that, by the way, nor will the elitist-controlled publishing houses or other media. The Bush family have been steeped in 'evil' works for generations, and how is it that none of those works are ever brought to remembrance, especially around election time? By the way, elections are farces... BOTH sides at the highest levels are controlled. The fix is in.

Bush's allegiance is to bankers, powerful industrialists, and powerful religious entities. I know who they are... I've spent over thirty years tracking them. I specialize in esoteric studies and religion.

Science is not the end-all. There must be a balance. The Author of the scientific world requires equal time.

Oh, and I don't mean for Kay to give up blogging in favor of a total shift to protesting in public -- both are good, but I believe the written word is the greatest means of getting the message out. We may not stop a totalitarian bastard from causing a war, but it can certainly help a lot of confused people make sense out of a senseless endeavor.

It will certainly help point the finger of guilt at those that are TRULLY responsible, and not just at the moronic underlings.
 
anonymous "My analysis of Bush's mentality is not based upon the literal transliteration of the word "stupid" so much as it is tantamount to stupidity for him to embark on the course he's taken without considering what it is going to cost him."

I understand that but what makes you think he hasn't considered what it's going to cost him?
Of course he has. In minute detail. Because he's NOT stupid. Bush has considered MANY options and alternatives but DISCOUNTED those that do NOT serve his self-interests or his extreme nationalism (which Bush would call 'patriotism' but not you or I). Bush MUST have considered the options in order to be able to lie/deceive convincingly (to his base) in his favour, and he will have been backed up by Rove/Cheney/Rice/Gonzales et. al in this endeavour.


"We agree he is evil, but he either is or he is not. You are using a term that has no place in psychiatric analysis."

Have you ever read M. Scott Peck? In his book called 'People of the Lie' he discusses evil in quite scientific terms as a professional scientist/psychiatrist himself. The word 'evil' DEFINITELY has a place in scientific terminology.


"This is where one has to move beyond the secular, humanist paradigm."

Not at all for the reason outlined above. Read M. Scott Peck's book. You'll see.


"You say you are an atheist, therefore for you to employ terms of a theological nature is a contradiction in terms."

I'm not employing ANY theological terms but recognised behaviours that HARM humanity and are described in terminology that has everyday use too. Some terms in science are the same as those in everyday use. E.g. lateral or quasi or finite or evil.


"I happen to basing much of what I propose on a mixture of the humanist training I had as a youth, along with the religious training I have embraced as an adult. You may not believe in a "sky God" but it really doesn't hinder one's responsibility toward himself or his peers if you do believe..."

please don't misunderstand me, I'm not implying religious PHILOSOPHY 'hinders' an individual, that can be quite enriching...but only the philosophy of religions is a good thing...


"in fact, it heightens one's sense of duty to try and better oneself and improve the lot of others."

In that we share a common goal. My sense of duty to help others is different from 'religious' people because it's unconditional - I'm not expecting 'happy-ever-after' (heaven) in return for helping people. I help people because this life is the only chance I'll ever get to know 'paradise'. I've found from experience that when I help people they help me when I need it too. No gods needed...


"What I am getting at is that there are other ways of knowing what the powers-that-be are up to, and what their goals for themselves and the rest of humanity are. It does, however, involve a major shift in belief systems, and the transition from secularism to religion (as I know) is particularly difficult."

I prefer to elucidate my existence rather than use 'feelings' or emotions. I use the same approach when coming to understand others, it's never failed me yet. Have you ever studied Bioenergetics? I was sent on a one-week $8,000 dollar course to learn how to accurately determine a person's personality and character within 2 seconds. This is important when interviewing people you've never met before for a position within an established team.
They don't have to say a thing. This has NOTHING to do with body language. It's to do with body shape and involves 'shady' science. It's NOT cut-and-dry science in the traditional sense. But that's only because although we understand direct relationships between what a person looks like and what their characters and personalities are like, we don't YET understand ALL the links in the process. That's why I like science. It has gaps. I choose not to be lazy and fill those gaps with gods. I'd rather hold my hands up and say "I don't have a bloody clue". It's also existent. NOT to be confused with 'existentialism' which I have studied and rejected.


"We are the same in many respects."

Agreed. We're educated and trying to make sense out of this confusing and beautifully complex thing called reality (life). And what (if anything) lies beyond...


"Your 'faith' in humanism, and my faith in a higher power cannot be proven at the elemental level."

I had a debate with another intelligent individual recently called Worf on another blog run by Lydia Cornell. Worf said the same things. I disagree because humanism is NOT a faith. Why?
Because religious people will NEVER truly understand those of us who have rejected sky-god belief unless they can be open to considering how we define OURSELVES rather than how they define us!


"You can quote all of the learned masters and of their written word
until the cows come home (and I could quote scripture)"

I wouldn't go there if I were you. I know a lot about scripture and those that wrote it from Ignatius to Justin Martyr to the 1st Epistle of Clement. I did not reject them ALL until I had first studied them all and learned of their lies. Please don't tell me you're ONLY referring to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John when you make that statement (about scripture) because I've always preferred the gospel of Thomas. Mind you, I've also read the gospels of Marcion, Ebionites, Alcazai etc. etc.

Just because I have chosen a life in science does NOT mean I have NOT studied scripture. In minute detail. For decades.


"but in the end it all becomes a matter of faith on our part"

on YOUR part, not mine! Why? Because I don't define myself how YOU choose to define me. And I know myself better than you know me!


"though it would seem that the evidence provided by divine inspiration gets weightier with time!"

You have NO evidence for that claim, only FAITH. Since the Age of Enlightenment any claims that are made by the claimant must provide proofs for their claims to be considered valid (e.g. there is a god). No proof, invalid claim, simple as that.
You may not like it, but your feelings and emotions are irrelevant when coming to understand reality.


"My studies in religion, i.e. the Word of God"

You mean the word of man? Because there is ZERO proof that a god(s) EVER spoke with a human being. And which god anyway? Zeus? Apollo? Perseus? Mithras? Shiva? Isis? Ammon Ra? Horus? Saturn? Jesus? Allah? Buddha? Yahweh? Jehovah? Osiris?


"have shown that there is a condition known to man called sin."

as I have already ststed, there is also a condition known to man as 'evil' and this condition is defined in detail by professional scientists/psychiatrists.


"Science really has no explanation for why man is the way he is"

What????
Nonsense! Have you EVER studied PSYCHIATRY??? How about SOCIOLOGY??? Or EVOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGY???
Read some books! Start with Matthew Rossano "The Science of Human Behavior and Evolution"


"but I can tell you that it goes a long way to understanding why people like Bush are the way they are"

Science goes a LONG way to explaining this, it's called psychology, including WHY they are religious and HOW it influences their thinking. Science explains in DETAIL positive motivators and negative motivators and why you really should have positive rather than negative motivators.


"and why HIS masters are the way they are. It also explains that since the beginning of civilization, there has been a cabal of men seeking to enslave the world, all the while they, themselves, dupes of a higher and more powerful entity seeking to bring the race to it's knees to spite the God that banished him!"

This has NOTHING to do with any supernaturalism. Though if having faith in anything supernatural will motivate Americans to get off their backsides and begin Vietnam-era demonstrations at this point I'm all for it!


"The descendants of these original rebels are still carrying forth the plan of rebellion today. I can assure you, these powerful men are NOT atheists! They don't serve God, but His rival."

No, they serve THEMSELVES! You really don't have to put gods in all this you know, just humans being selfish and cruel serving their own selfish self-interests.


"They are quite happy to have you believe there is no God or Satan."

Good. Because there are NO gods good or bad. Only human beings who are gullible or manipulative. And by the way, authoritarians have no influence over what I take as fact, only I am in command of my own mind. It's called 'taking responsibility for yourself' and by 'yourself' I mean thoughts, words and actions.


"Atheism (a religion itself, by the way)"

No it's NOT! This is another example of how religious people define non-religious people rather than listening to how we define ourselves.


"was constructed to obliterate man's knowledge of his Creator"

No, atheism developed following the facts of geology and Darwinism during the Age of Enlightenment. Atheism did NOT develop in order to deny gods. That was a CONSEQUENCE of the development of atheism, not an aim!


"and is mentioned in the Communist Manifesto -- the outline of the socialist (Satanist)"

Interesting you use the most pure evil incarnate image/fantasy to describe socialism....which, of course, says more about YOU than it does socialism...


"plan to enslave all free and sovereign nations on Earth. The works of Lavrenty Beria, a prominent Socialist, include the plan the socialist elitists had for infiltrating ALL aspects of modern society in an effort to spread the seeds of discord and war and atheism."

I note the association of words here, you choose to write 'discord' 'war' and 'atheism' in the same sentence.

How about I write 'discord' 'war' and 'Christianity' in the same sentence?
Religious people like to claim they have the moral high ground. If only it were true. If you really bothered to read any books on Secular Humanism (rather than claiming to have studied the subject) you would not spout this rubbish regarding atheism and morality. Read "Postulating: A Case for Secular Humanism" by DAVID O. KINGMA or anything by Sam Harris.


"Society is breaking down"

No it's not, it's just in a downturn in an oscillating wave. Stop being so pessimistic. WWIII is NOT an inevitability if Americans act NOW! If you choose to do something NOW!! Then you can do a LOT to stop the downturn turning too negative...


"not improving, contrary to what the Darwinist/Evolutionists might like us to think."

This shows just how little you understand science.


"Any man on the street with both of his eyes working can verify that. We have 'de-evolved' to the state that our only hope for survival IS from an outside source."

Our only hope for survival is if we start being nice to one another rather than wishing/hoping/expecting/demanding/wanting an invisible sky-god to do it for us...
And FAR more likely!


"The Bible has always been the best-selling literary work."

This shows how gullible humans are, and how humans are susceptible to a back-firing (a cock-up - like masturbation) of evolutinary psychology, nothing more.


"It has also grown in acceptance among the more secular authorities for it's historical and moral accuracy and authority."

Quote refereneces here because I work in a secular, scientific environment so I'd KNOW if this were true.
What you have just claimed is an outright LIE!
The TRUTH is that gods are becoming ever more ridiculous as time goes by. And those seen to worship them are treated with ever greater ridicule.


"God is FAR from obsolete"

In YOUR mind, obviously. Not mine. And MANY others.


"and His Word has foretold every major shift in human civilization since creation."

LIAR! You have no proof of this whatsoever. You just made that up. I'm beginning to think you're a troll...


"here is a coming time of trouble, foretold thousands of years ago, and it would seem, my friend, that we are the ones that will be living in it."

NOTHING was foretold thousands of years ago except for individual perceptions of texts that can be interpreted in a VARIETY of different ways. Either you want to know the truth or you don't.

Truth does NOT come from individual perceptions.


"Every major skirmish in history has been over religion"

No, WWI and WWII were NOT over religion. Dogma yes, religion NO!


"because that's what's at stake. God's rule or Satan's."

My previous reply shows how ridiculous your statement here is.
What's at stake is who's-going-to-have-oil-when-the-last-bits-run-out...nothing more. You really are making yourself look silly...


"In religious circles it is called "the great controversy."

You are choosing to use Seventh-day Adventist theology as a reason for reality today? You're barking at the moon.


"There shall indeed be a "third world war" foretold by God, and planned long ago by elitist men seeking total power."

WWIII is NOT an inevitability if Americans get off their fat arses. But if you're all going to just 'give in' because of ABSURD faiths then maybe it is...?


"This is my sermon to counter yours."

Oh dear, you lack logic, reason, examples, facts, intellectual honesty and balance. All you've presented is your particular faith, emotions, feelings and outright lies regarding science. You have misrepresented science, misconstrued reality into some absurd and wierd form of pessimistic fatalism based on ridiculous faith.


"You preach from a secular view, I from a theological one."

And I'll leave lurkers to work out who's making more sense...


"When matters get so unbearable that the world cries for a leader to get them out of the mess they're in, there will be one provided, (remember this) but it will be the devil himself!"

LOL! Let's break that down....
1. "the world cries for a leader to get them out of the mess"
so you're going to absolve yourself (and the world with it) of YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES to make the world a better place by expecting/praying/wishing/hoping/wanting/faith for somebody/thing else to 'get you out of this mess'.
Oh no you don't!
Reality has nothing to do with hoping/wishing/wanting/praying etc. etc.
Reality has EVERYTHING to do with Americans stepping up to the plate, hitting the streets and relentlessley lobbying for impeachment and peace!!!


"As for Bush... his family, historically, have been Satanists."

LOL! AGAIN!
Evidence please?
You'll have none again!
You are letting your emotions rule your fingers on the keyboard.
Bushco are NOT Satanists, just self-interested, nationalistic, lying, greedy double authoritarians.


"CNN won't verify that, by the way, nor will the elitist-controlled publishing houses or other media."

I know!! And I know why!!
It has something to do with REALITY rather than your personal faith-based interpretations.


"The Bush family have been steeped in 'evil' works for generations,"

Agreed. I know about Grandpa Bush and the Nazis.


"and how is it that none of those works are ever brought to remembrance, especially around election time?"

Because the MSM is too afraid to speak the truth for being labelled traitors, also, conservative Jews and Gentiles collectively own the MSM and they are ALL FOR war in the ME. Why? Because they think by desatilising their neighbours they make themselves stronger. To accomplish this they need Bushco, a far-right extremist politico whom the Israelis can control. Interesting that their plans have back-fired as recently realised by Israeli think-tanks.


"By the way, elections are farces... BOTH sides at the highest levels are controlled. The fix is in."

Agreed. So you go with what you have if you don't have the balls to really change things.


"Bush's allegiance is to bankers, powerful industrialists, and powerful religious entities."

Agreed. Now you've stopped talking faith you're making sense.


"I know who they are... I've spent over thirty years tracking them."

Good for you. America and the world needs people like you to do things like this. Now tell everyone WHO they are and start hitting the streets.


"I specialize in esoteric studies and religion."

You specialise in deceit and misconstructions when it comes to atheists, science and reality from an existent point of view...


"Science is not the end-all."

It's orders of magnitudes greater than ANY faith.


"There must be a balance."

NO! Because there is no alternative to FACTS.


"The Author of the scientific world requires equal time.

Your faith-based misinterpretations bastardise science and how we atheists define ourselves. Arrogance, ignorance and absurdities are your reasonings Sir/Madam.


"Oh, and I don't mean for Kay to give up blogging in favor of a total shift to protesting in public"

Oh, NEITHER DO I!
Kay needs to blog to organise demonstrations! If and it's a big IF - anyone will be bothered to turn up.


"I believe the written word is the greatest means of getting the message out."

Look, if that works for Americans then so be it. Lie to them, deceive them if you must, if it gets them out on the streets. Lying and deceiving Americans is better than Americans getting KILLED.


"We may not stop a totalitarian bastard from causing a war, but it can certainly help a lot of confused people make sense out of a senseless endeavor."

If that's what it takes then DO IT! Stop yakking about it and GET ON WITH IT! Time is running out. We only have a matter of weeks. I only hope that people reading this go into the psychology of motivating people with THEIR EYES OPEN. Faith is absurd, but if it works, USE IT!!


"It will certainly help point the finger of guilt at those that are TRULLY responsible, and not just at the moronic underlings."

Agreed. So DO something!
ALL OF YOU!
NOW!!
 
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